Version for Palm pre?
Palm announced the pre at CES. Any plans for LB on the pre? I'm real interested in updating my Palm T3, but the pre needs Graffiti before I'll jump ship.
Palm announced the pre at CES. Any plans for LB on the pre? I'm real interested in updating my Palm T3, but the pre needs Graffiti before I'll jump ship.
No way to tell...
Hello there,
Short answer is we don't know yet until there is more information for developers. The device is not available for six months (at least), so we'll see.
Best wishes,
--Catherine--*
Palm Pre
Catherine,
With all the Hype and now the Dev Language is out. Also Dev Camp is being held. Are you planning to attend the dev camp for WebOS and MoJo as they call it?
I have centered my life around LB. I use it on my Treo 680, have had it on a Treo 700P and Treo 755P.
The Hype right now has around 400,000 to 500,000 followers as it stands now. Plus we are going into the Mobile Phone Expo in Europe this week as I write this message.
Your product is a god send and keeps me straight as to priorities of what I should be doing, based on time of day and where I am. It is great.
Considering the Pre's functionality and GPS capabilities, why not also consider enhancing the where I am part to give popup suggestions when someone approaches places where they need to do things. Mall, shopping which store, Work, which meetings and when, etc.
The Pre opens up many other possibilities.
Considering the Pre has a Mashup of messaging in it where, SMS, MMS, Email and IM become one, your work with the todo, task list and priorities with graphics fit well and will compliment the Pre's current capabilities.
Just a thought.
You might want to look at the current Centroid location based Alert and tracking system to get an idea of how to have the system based locational alerts work. But do this for GPS.
Regards,
Cary
Cary Conover
Principal Systems Consultant
Lawson Software
Lawson Professional Services - America's
iPhone focus
Thanks. Good to know that there is interest there for future reference.
For now, making Life Balance on iPhone successful is what we're focused on.
So.. we recommend iPhone for all our Life Balance customers who want a mobile edition.
Best wishes,
--Catherine--*
i've been using LB for many
i've been using LB for many years on my various palm devices & looked forward to seeing how LB could work even better with the pre's synergy. i plan to get a pre as soon as it's released to replace my failing 755p. i'm sad that i will have to say goodbye to LB, as i have no plans to get an iPhone.
Device is not out yet... and there are no developer tools
As I said, I am glad to know that there is interest in the Pre, for future reference.
If you follow along with us, you know that we believe in staying open to possibility for things to change this way or that. We do not believe in spreading ourselves too thin.
For the foreseeable future, we are very focused on making our new product on iPhone successful, and recommend iPhone to our Life Balance customers desiring a mobile version.
Best wishes,
--Catherine--*
GPS & physical Places
Cary wrote:
>Considering the Pre's functionality and GPS capabilities, why not also consider enhancing the where I am part to give popup suggestions when someone approaches places where they need to do things. Mall, shopping which store, Work, which meetings and when, etc.
oo.
i quite like that.
implementation-/UI-wise, perhaps a new "builtin" Place like "Anywhere", labelled "Physical Location" or something, where Importance is scaled down by the square of the GPS distance from all Places tagged with physical GPS-coordinates. ie only showing Tasks with Places with GPS-coords, ToDoImportance = Importance / Distance^2
Switching Phone to Use Life Balance is a
Hi Catherine,
I want to say that the only reason I came across Life balance was that I had been looking for applications which are addressing the rest of us who are not Iphone users. I've chosen to and known many people around me who had trade in their iphone for something else due to various reasons integral to the phone usage experience.
I think that the number of users that had inquired to see whether LB might be able to updated for the Pre because they think that device will be able to address people who are NOT IPHONE fans.
To simply tell fans of your software to switch to iPhones if they want to use Life Balance simply disregards their preferences for their device. Don't you think?
No. I don't think that...
Dear Tumbleweed,
You recently wrote:
"To simply tell fans of your software to switch to iPhones if they want to use Life Balance simply disregards their preferences for their device. Don't you think?"
Not at all. It would be great if we could give every customer every choice in the world for their absolute favorite phone running Life Balance in a perfectly lovely way. We remain open to the possibility that Palm Pre will be the best thing since sliced bread, and that there will be customers who will want our products on that platform.
As a three person company supporting thousands of customers across 4 platforms, we don't have the luxury to offer all choices. We must choose our development battles carefully. Creating Life Balance for iPhone was not a trivial amount of work. Until Life Balance for iPhone is nurtured through its infancy, we are not committing to spreading ourselves any thinner.
So, at least for the time being... iPhone for the mobile platform remains our strong recommendation for people who want a mobile component.
For our folks who are asking us for a recommendation on what to get specifically to run Life Balance, we strongly suggest iPhone would be the way to go.
Best wishes,
--Catherine--*
Symbian or Win Mobile?
Hi
Please could you tell me if there are any plans to code LB for Symbian or Windows Mobile?
Muzz
Thanks for your interest
We recommend iPhone as our Life Balance mobile platform for the time being.
Thanks again for your interest in other platforms.
Best wishes,
--Catherine--*
MotionApps to provide backwards compatibility for Palm Pre!
They just mentioned, on the Palm blog, that this app was being developed to serve as a Palm OS emulator on the Pre.
http://www.motionapps.com/classic/
So, that will hopefully provide a way to use Life Balance on the Pre, until a new version is developed for that platform.
At the same time, however, the site implies that not all apps will be supported. So, everyone who's interested should sign up on their email and add a vote for LB, here.
And it might be a good idea for one of the Llamas to sign up here.
Voted
I've added my vote for Life Balance!
Pre is coming
I've added my request for backwards compatibility for LB on the Pre via classic
and could I add my name to the list of people who will be eagerly awaiting LB being natively supported on the Pre!
thanks
Follow-up
Engaget has a video of a live demo, and the sales person was a bit wishy-washy when it came to actually being able to sync the program with your desktop.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/02/palm-pre-classic-emulator-demoed-on-v...
It sounds like hotsyncing is not supported. If that's the case, this emulator might only be useful for stand-alone programs like Bejeweled and ePocrates that don't need to sync with your PC/Mac.
Too bad.
Even without HotSync: Let's fight one PalmOS battle at a time!
I too have signed up with my email for Classic PalmOS support on the Pre!
I don't want to make the jump for a while, but if I ever do it's great to have this option aside from turning to iPhone.
Enlisting and getting LifeBalance to be retrocompatible with Classic might be just a little effort that will yield great benefits for many customers, I plead you to enlist as an App developer Catherine!
Pre natively supported can come in the years following :)
News today: Palm Pre is released
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Actually, Palm Pre has a release date on June 6, 2009
Actually, Palm Pre has a release date set of June 6, 2009 was today's announcement.
Not that it changes our story.
We are still focused on making the iPhone app fly.
Best -
--Catherine--*
Palm Pre is launched and the world is on fire
Dear Llamas,
How about making LB for the pPre now? it looks veeery promising - do you not agree?
Kind regards,
Anders H.
3-year Life Balance on PalmOS user really needs LB for Pre
I considered buying an iPhone, but for various reasons ended up buying a Pre to eventually replace my Treo. I'm now carrying both the Pre and the Treo, until I can get either a native version of LB running in WebOS or get the PalmOS emulator to work. (I haven't tried the emulator yet, but the early reviews aren't looking promising.) Please consider my plea as one more vote for a native WebOS version of Life Balance.
iPod Touch
For those adverse to giving into the iPhone, or those of us who can't, consider the more affordable and usable by everyone iPod Touch. My son's iPod Touch convinced me, and it has been the greatest piece of technology I have ever spent money on, and the greatest bargain to boot. To think back at the days of the Mac SE30, and then to compare it today to the iPod Touch, is just incredible.
I never thought it would happen, but my Mac plays second fiddle to my iPod Touch. My only regret: not getting the 16GB versions (no big deal; I just need to keep my music files lower than I'd like).
support for Palm Pre
I'm am dismayed to read that there is not a good way to work Life Balance on my new Palm Pre. I was looking at getting an iPhone, but when it came down to it, our family could not afford the charges that AT&T adds on to their service plans. I thought I would be saving money by continuing to use the Palm platform on which I've used LB on my Palm TX for years.
The whole idea of getting this phone was to use it with LB. I feel foolish that I didn't check it out before buying the phone. I understand that it's a lot of work to support different platforms. It didn't even occur to me that this platform was so different from the Palm.
This is a real problem for me. I can tell from previous posts that there's not going to be a solution soon for the Pre. This is really bad news.
very sorry
Yes, understood. And we are sorry that you did not check with us first. I do understand that it is a surprise that Palm Pre is not a viable native platform for the Life Balance app, since we have been long time Palm developers, and we have a strong installed based for Palm OS, which has been discontinued by Palm.
By way of explanation, if not consolation, Palm did not supply developers with tools to leverage any of our existing Palm OS code, so we had to evaluate it as a completely new platform rather than an extension of our prior work. While we may be able to provide some web based service for Life Balance in the future, that is not available today.
For now, the iPhone continues to be our preferred mobile development platform for Life Balance. We continue to recommend the iPhone for our customers looking for a mobile component. The software tools and the business arrangements are technically compelling for us as developers. The user experience is good, and we could leverage our work on the Mac version to deliver on iPhone.
Also, the iPhone version syncs better than the old Palm OS version to both the current Mac and Windows desktops.
I'm very sorry that it didn't work out for you. Perhaps there will be a better answer yet to come in the future.
Wishing you all the best,
--Catherine--*
Need Life Balance on Palm Pre
Life Balance is the killer app on my current Treo 650, together with Snappermail, for 3 years now.
I would be very surprised, not to say, rather upset, if there won't be a Life Balance for Palm Pre.
Which is without any doubt my next phone when the old Treo 650 breaks. The alternative mentioned, iPhone, is no alternative for me: no keyboard, clunky big, no good PIM functions. I know what i'm talking about: I own a Mac and tried the iPhone for a week.
Strange that a company that apparently became succesfull with it's Palm software, now seems to abandon it's orginal customers.
And there must be a market, all those current Palm users that own a Life Balance copy. With a second, mass-market targeted, cheaper webOS phone on the horizon, there must be even more a market for this.
I *hope* that you will reconsider, and upgrade LB to the WebOS platform.
Regards,
Leon
The Netherlands
Thanks for letting us know that you are interested in Palm Pre
Sorry Leon if you feel abandoned. It is not our intention.
We recommend iPhone to our customers who are looking for a mobile component for Life Balance. We are focused on making the relatively new introduction of Life Balance on iPhone a successful addition to our software product line. We have a strong following on iPhone among prior Palm users as well as new iPhone users and we are gaining momentum there!
Technically, Palm Pre does not represent a continuation of our prior Palm OS work. It has to be evaluated as a different new platform (despite having the same name.)
Sorry it hasn't worked out for you at this time. I hope that you will keep the door open to change in the future, because for us there is nothing to "reconsider." We are already open to all sorts of possibilities!
Best -
--Catherine--*
Add me to the Palm Pre Hopers
Have been using LB for years and am still on a Tungsten T3. Am going to get a smartphone and have many apps that I've paid a lot of money for and am completely dependant on. Will be going with the Palm Pre, iPhone doesn't appeal to me at all. I guess I'll be getting MotionApps Classic to see if I can get LB to run, but I truly hope you decide to focus on the Pre at some point. I have just spent at least 50 hours researching on the web for alternative programs, downloadable or web-based, but nothing comes close to LB except maybe one (which I won't mention here), but it doesn't sync with any type of Palm. For me, LifeBalance is for life.
"have many apps that I've
"have many apps that I've paid a lot of money for and am completely dependant on"
"I truly hope you decide to focus on the Pre at some point"
It's really Palm's fault, and LB can do nothing to fix it. The Palm Pre has nothing whatsoever in common with the PalmOS devices we are used to. Not only is it technically very different (not a single line of code can be brought over from PalmOS software to WebOS software). But also the philosophy of WebOS is absolutely different from PalmOS. PalmOS focuses on having everything locally on the device with modestly good, but completely optional, sync with a single PC. WebOS focuses on having almost nothing on the device, but offering most services through the net, almost not being able to work without an "always-on" net connection. (At least that is the impression I get from Palm Pre advertisement and reviews, I do not own one.)
What you really want is not a "Palm Pre" version of LB (or any other of those PalmOS apps you own), but a "WebOS" version of your "PalmOS" software. This is the same as asking for a "Java" version or a "Symbian" version of some PalmOS software. Unless the developer starts over from scratch, it is not going to happen.
I have been a PalmOS user for literally a decade, starting with Palm III and now still loving my Treo 680. I'll have a very bad day the day that Treo breaks down, unless I can find a replacement Treo from ebay.