LB Android Version

Hi to all here.

As LB is available for the iPhone for a while now, what about bringing LB on Android next?
More and more Android based phones appear each month on the market, so are there any plans to get and LB release for Android out the doors already?

Many thanks anyway.

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Life Balance in mobile versions

Life Balance (mobile) is just for Palm and the iPhone, other versions are not planned within the nearest future-time: http://www.llamagraphics.com/drupal/forums/iphone-community-support/life...

Hope that helps,
Thorsten

Hi Thorsten. Sorry to hear

Hi Thorsten.

Sorry to hear that.
Thanks for the answer.

greets
Sheridan

Another vote for Android from a big LB fan

I love the Life Balance software and have already paid for the Palm, Windows, Mac, AND Iphone versions (yes-- I'm obsessive). But now it looks like I'm going with an Android phone for various reasons, and would happily pay again for Life Balance for Android.

Please port Life Balance to Android!

I want a new smartphone, and would really prefer an Android phone to an iPhone, but I've become addicted to using Life Balance on my Treo. Please port Life Balance to Android!

id love to see an android port.

id love to see an android port. i dont run/own any palm or iphone devices, and dont plan to. but my phone runs android, and if a port of your software were available i would buy it.

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Adding my voice to the "We'd like an Android Version, please!"

I'll likely be upgrading to a smart phone when my current contract gets to the point where upgrading to new phones gets the best price -- in about 4 months.

Since I'm with T-Mobile I've been looking at the Android-equipped phone selections and like what I see.

If Life Balance were available for Android I wouldn't even look twice at the iPhone. I love Apple (enough to own stock as well as Macs :-)) but I really dislike AT&T and the lack of real choice in phone carrier when buying into the iPhone phenomena.

Plus I think that Android is poised to give the iPhone a real run for its money.

So if you're keeping count, please add me to the "customers for a Google/Android version" list.

Thanks!

Ann Dupuis, CPDT
Your Dream Dog
http://yourdreamdog.com

+1 from me

When I finally give up on the Palm platform, as much as I'd like the sexy iPhone, I just can't stomach their over-controlling policies, exactly the opposite of what I love about the open-source movement. While I completely respect the decision of a single application's developer to remain closed and proprietary, an OS platform needs IMO to be as open as possible.

Apple won't allow Java. Apple won't allow integration with its internal data (contacts, dates, to-do's). Apple needs to approve every iPhone app. Meh! Despite their wonderful marketing/design talents, I feel this attitude will turn out to be their Achilles heel down the road.

So for my future mobile platform, Android's looking like the way to go.

As a side note, Pimlical's probably going to be ported to Android and will be backwards-compatible with the traditional Palm DateBk data, so there may well be a way in the future to use Life Balance on the desktop to manage your to-do lists, and then sync them for mobility to Pimlical running on Android. But of course this is all just speculation about a future kludge :)

So add my vote for a future native Android Life Balance!

LB for Android

I'm actually looking into smart phones right now and am heavily leaning towards getting an Android phone over all of the phones LB currently supports.

I really like Android because it is open source and for several other reasons and an iPhone is really just not that appealing to me.

I'd love to have this app for my phone once I bought it!

Not only that but Llama would be totally limiting their potential income by NOT making an Android version of LB. Think of it this way, ALL cell carriers are coming out with Android phones - the iPhone is AT&T only and they are even now selling Android phones!!

Bump

I am a huge fan of LB and android. I've been using LB for palm and PC for years and I'd love to see a LB version for Android so i can sync with my PC. Nothing on the android market comes close to LB!!!

LB for Android

Dear LB Staff,

I've been stopping at your web site periodically to see how you are making out with LB for mobile phone platforms. While I've used Palm phones for a long while, I may switch next year, because I'm tired of the bugginess. The iPhone is well regarded, but honestly, the primary function of a phone is to call, so I likely won't switch to one because of poor coverage. The Android phones from other carriers are intriguing, but the lack of great useful apps such as LB is a drawback. Any reason you cannot reconsider switching priorities to also support Android? In general, I think the product would be a winner. Personally, it would cement my decision to go Android.

LB for Android / Mobile

An Android version would be sweet. iphone and palm being the only mobile options is sad. LB is a great product, but it is really only useful if you have it with you all the time and I cannot carry an old palm and a smartphone (what's the point...) and iphone is carrier specific... :-(

LB for Android +1

I have had LB for Mac and Palm for years. I almost certainly am going to be moving to an Android device in the near future. Please consider an android version!

lifebalance for android PLEASE - don't be left behind

Hello

Really disapointed to read you have no plans for a lifebalance version for android.. there mustbe some wonderful super geek who could transpose it for you ????? you moved with the times for iphone.. so ride the wave of android..

I'm still a loyal palm user (holding on to my palm tx for dear life) and couldn't afford an upgrade to palm pre (to run the emulator) or the iphone..

I've today agreed to an upgrade with my phone company for a samsung itouch max (android running 1.5, this phone has just been released even though android new platforms are 1.6 for the HTC hero and 2.0 for other versions of android) so I hope all future apps still run on all versions.

was searching the app. store for lifebalance. really sad to see there are no plans... please don't be like palm and not utilise your loyal fan base. ( I know you moved on to iphone so doesn't completely apply but I urge you to stay abreast of trends as your lifebalance software deserves to be available on all platforms (and please keep serving palm users , some of us are still using them and won't be parted) and my forward thinking best mate keeps saying 'android is the way forward.

Thank you LB

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Well yes, we understand that you would like that... so would we.

Thanks for the suggestions. We do understand that you would like to use Life Balance wherever you want. We certainly are interested in Android (and other platforms) and keeping a watch on all of it.

Life Balance on the iPhone platform is still a fledgling. I feel that it is important for us to take the time to understand how to do better marketing of Life Balance there before extending to Android or any other platform.

Much of this activity has to take place on the App Store, because many of our customers will never bother to visit our web site to learn about the software. Not so easy to direct anyone's attention there. Developers have only a few words and pictures to explain what we do. We do our best to write and post the software, and then, we are try to figure out the idiosyncrasies of the App Store for marketing. Luckily Apple is really good at that stuff, (way better than we are) and we are generally happy to work within their design constraints. It does mean that we have to rely in some unequal proportion on our own work, on Apple and you, and we know how incredibly busy you are.

The people who do use Life Balance on the iPhone and all platforms, use it a lot, and seem to really love it. It has a strong, creative, interesting, loyal customer base, many of whom have been with us for many years. For that we are enormously grateful.

That said, not everyone is willing to take a chance to change their lives for the better too... because "that has got to be a lot of WORK!" And frankly, yes, it is. Nevertheless, Life Balance is about both work AND PLAY! It is about living well... with gusto! You all do it better than ANYONE!

Opening people's minds to the whole idea of trying Life Balance software is challenging when they are overwhelmed and don't feel like they have the energy to learn anything new. You folks get it... many other people do not. They take a lot of convincing. Sooo... our customers seem to be an amazingly determined and enthusiastic bunch! You already knew that about yourselves, though, right? Yes, you ROCK! Sometimes in geology, sometimes in music. Sometimes both! Hard to tell what you will be doing, other than following your own cool dreams!

If you have used Life Balance and put it to good use at any time on any plartform...we would appreciate a kind mention. It would be wonderful to tell some of your success stories... link to us from your facebook pages... post a cheerful blog entry or a nice comment about how you make use of our software somewhere, especially the App Store. Where we do not have much room to explain, you do. To me it seems that you are our most positive and convincing case for Life Balance.

Many thanks again for all your kind comments and enthusiastic support. It means a lot to us! Once we understand better where we are right now, then it will be time to press forward again.

Give and take, ebb and flow... we keep working at it, and most of the time it all works out.

For everyone who HAS posted a positive review on the App Store for us (or put in a mention for us anywhere else for that matter), please just know that it makes such a difference to us! We cannot possibly thank you enough for taking the time to do it!

Best wishes, and many MANY thanks again!

--Catherine--*

Marketing issues in the app store

As a long time user of LB on the Palm which I have now switched to a Touch, please accept the following as constructive feedback. I sense a bit of frustration with the iphone situation. There are 2 main constraints you are looking at re: selling iphone apps: Price and Free trial or lite versions. While I believe LB is a great app, in App Store parameters, it is over priced. I've bought and used a number of similar iphone apps - ToDo, Toodledo, 2Do, which have similar functionality and UI's that are as good or better than LB. There are many others I haven't tried. The most expensive of these is 1/2 the price of LB. They all sync to Toodledo, a free web app. It appears to me that you believe you are competing primarily against Omnifocus , as your pricing is the same. However Omnifocus has a much larger established desktop user base and their iphone app, while being primarily a GTD app has more functionality than LB - I'm not saying it's better but it's different and you most definitely aren't just competing against Omnifocus, not even primarily. The top selling "To Do" apps are 2Do, PocketInformant, ToDo, etc. The bottom line is that in the App Store world, people are not inclined to pay $20 for an App, particularly if they can't try it out via a lite or limited version. The 3 apps I mentioned are very high quality and well done. I think that Life Balance is a great product with a unique approach but in the long run, you simply cannot sell the iphone version for $20 in that market and be highly successful and I would love to see Life Balance be extremely successful given the obvious work and effort that has been put into it.

All of the points you've

All of the points you've raised here are also applicable to the Android App Market. It's a vast sea of mostly mediocre apps selling at $2 or less with a few rare gems. It's an app mindset where apps are priced to be bought and forgotten within a week, as opposed to the old school where you paid good money for an app that you used for years.

I've hunted through every todo/gtd app in the Android App Market and none quite have all of the LB features I want: sub-sub-tasks, calendar integration, context filtering, dynamic priority tweaking, etc.

And add my vote for an Android LB product. I would gladly pay full price for it again.

Tom

LB on Android - Please!

I'm in the same pickle as some other folks in that I'm still carrying my hurtin' Palm T|X (turn on by hitting reset) and a dumb phone.

Verizon is the carrier of choice here in Ithaca, and as much as I would like to move to the Palm Pre Plus (emulation: no thanks), it isn't getting market traction yet, so I'm looking at an Android based solution, probably a Droid.
It is appreciated that moving an app across OSes and devices can be a considerable effort even when the development environment is wonderful; and there is the issue of understanding the user interface "dialect" so that the app feels native.

The smartphone (aka app phone) market is a real horse race right now, and betting on it is a difficult proposition. I believe that Android is going to be a winner, and that it would be in LB's best interests to have a port to that platform.

Thank you for your consideration.

Ed

+1 for LB on Android

Just adding my voice to the chorus.

It is about time that you

It is about time that you guys went android, instead of that apple store rip-off.

Waiting to see some changes for life balance to the good, no wm6 support at all. PLZ do te android plattform.

If u need help just ask us.... =)

don´t ask what llama can do 4 u, ask what u can do for llama....

hehehe,

kep on truckin devs....

hot5hot

Another vote for LifeBalance on Android

Just another vote for LifeBalance on Android. I've now worked my way through many, many todo managers for Android, and LifeBalance really stands head and shoulders above them. Recent developments in FroYo (including the new feedback tool) makes for a very supportive development environment.

Still, I understand that you do have to set your priorities, especially with the iPad having just come out.

Please, we need LB for Android!

I've been using LB for the last 10 years on PalmOS, but have finally made the shift to Android. I'm finding a glaring absence of apps that can handle recurring and floating tasks effectively. The various GTD-oriented apps seem to leave this sort of thing to the calendar, and the stock calendar is miserable at it. If only LB were available, my problems would be solved...pleasepleaseplease? with sugar on top? :)

Android Please

I too have been hoping for the day LB is offered on Android. My palm device died a few months back and went back to a paper system for my tasks since I cannot get any coverage from ATT in my area forcing me to be with Verizon. My phone is too on it's last leg, and want to invest in a smart phone to limit the number of gadgets I have to carry. Please keep an open mind and add to the Android platform soon!

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thanks again...

Thanks again... of course, we have open minds about it. Glad to know that there is interest in what we're doing. We continue to follow Android.

We appreciate your support, and your positive word of mouth about Life Balance.

Best wishes,

--Catherine--*

another life balance user hoping for an android version soon

hello.

i've been using the windows and palm LB versions for 2 years now and really like the software. thanks for the great work.

however, my palm device is dying and i've moved to android. i'd be willing to pay again for an android version, but in its absence, it looks like i'll land up moving to something else.

i hope you guys decide to develop an android version soon.

however, i understand you guys have resource constraints and priorities. thanks for building great software. good luck and hope to hear good news from you soon.

LB on Android

Another +1 for Android on iPhone. I've used LB since the Treo was new. Today I have it on Win, Mac, and iPhone (all properly bought). I'm sick of the iPhone's poor reliability and desperately want to move to Android. But as a project manager, I NEED LB. Please put it on Android so I can switch!

LB on Android

+1

I am moving from the iPhone to the Droid X on or after 7/15 and am really hoping I don't have to give up Life Balance as part of the deal.

It's an amazingly easy dev environment - your port wouldn't take much time at all!

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Still more than 2 weeks..

Thanks for that.

It would still take more than 2 weeks to develop Life Balance on Android, especially since Life Balance is in C++ and Android development is done in Java.

We do appreciate your confidence in our abilities though!

;-)

--Catherine--*

Life Balance on Android platform

I disagree with the earlier comments about price. A quality Ap that syncs with Windows and my Evo is worth 80.00 or more. Life Balance would not be attempting to compete with 2.00 downloads. I think many people would recognize that.

Palm is dead. The Pre and Pixie are not Palms (except in name). Some of us will never go to Apple, especially while it's only on AT&T. What's left?

There is some talk of a Palm "emulator" being developed for Android. I think most of us would prefer a a version that was built for Android. I would love it if it could sync with a Windows version the way the version Palm did.

How can I put links on my facebook page (as suggested), etc., when Palm is dead and I can't speak for the Apple version?

Android is now.

Another request for an Android Port

I'm still using my Palm T3, and waiting for the next mobile platform, iPhone will NOT be it.

I'm tired of waiting for Palm Pre (here in Portugal) so I can use the Classic VM layer and run LB on it.

So, I'm more and more convinced I'll go the more open Android route.

I would not mind paying an upgrade fee again for LB on Android.

so hmm :-) how 'bout it llamas ? :-)
pretty please with a cherry on top ?

Technical - why write platform specific ?

Catherine,

I'm sure you're aware of this, but none the same I'd like to point out that you should not take the view that developing for two mobile platforms would require maintaining two separate code bodies.

Have you looked into multi-platform mobile frameworks ? there are now way more than a couple of them, and the apps have native look&feel. Some frameworks even continue to target PalmOS.

As such, porting the existing code base into another mobile oriented multi-platform one (maintaining the separate bodies during a transition period), would open up immense possibilities, reduce development effort, include blackberry besides Android and other platforms as well.

Please consider this as well.
Best regards.

LB on Android - Moving to Droid X

I'm moving to a Droid X next week and would love to have LB available for it. My Palm T|X is getting flakier than a biscuit and is going to croak on me. I'd gladly pay for the new image, as I know MANY Verizon customers would too. Like a lot of other folks, when the iPhone 4 announcement came out, I was disappointed that there was no Verizon deal - again. Probably won't be one until LTE is more widely deployed. Android will be the platform of choice to address the Verizon market of mobile devices.

Android based phones are grabbing market share up (ref:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/09/comscore-android-grows-us-smartphone-... ) . I don't think that this is going to be just a "the flavor of the month" phenomena, which is what you have to guard against.

Now that I know that the port requires a C++ -> Java xlation, I have a better appreciation for what you're up against.

Thank you for your consideration.

Android App

Why doesn't someone else just develop an android app that does what Life Balance does?

I would buy from Llamagraphics, as I have done in the past, but if they don't want to develop Life Balance for the Android, isn't it their choice? This is a capitalist market. I will buy from whoever develops the app that does what I want. Right about now, I would pay dearly for it, too.

Someone please develop it and I'm sure a bunch of us will buy it, rather than choose to be held hostage by llamagraphics' decisions.

Thanks,
Paul

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Thanks again for your kind support and enthusiasm...

Hello again folks,

I just want to say again how much we appreciate your interest and support for what Life Balance and Llamagraphics is about.

We know that YOU are very enthusiastic about Life Balance, and think that we must be just ornery, stubborn, shortsighted or idiots to not be developing for Android.

This is not the case, dear people. Of course we are very interested in Android, too.

We love what we do, and we are very gratified that the software is so helpful to you. It is a much smaller "bunch" than you might imagine and the constraints are often more difficult than you might expect. We are always looking for ways to sell more software, extend to other platforms and grow, but that is not at all a given thing that we can take for granted.

Rather than trying to undermine our efforts, please think creatively to find more constructive and helpful ways to support our mutual goal of seeing the Life Balance product line succeed and grow.

We have really great customers, and I appreciate your concerns when making choices of carriers and platforms.

Thanks very much,

--Catherine--*

+1 Android

Please make this application for Android! I have been a fan since the early days of Palm.

Android

I agree with the previous poster who suggested that someone else create a Lifebalance esque program to be sold on the Android Market. I really do feel it is short sighted to ignore all the Android users who have been dedicated Lifebalance users over the years and just want to continue using and buying what is the best ToDo type application on the market.

There are a lot of very skilled programmers out there...someone must be able to create something! How about Llamagraphics sub contracting the job out. I feel the company needs to be more creative rather than asking the end user, who can't use the software, to suggest ways of moving forward....simple...develop for Android.

Gav.

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"the company"

"The company" is just me and Stuart. Stuart and I both understand that you would like the Life Balance software to run on Android. Life Balance is a good product, and Stuart is brilliant, so that pretty much leaves just me as the recipient of all blame.

I would like to personally express my sincere regrets again that we have nothing to offer you on Android at this time. If we could do more with what we have to work with, know that we would.

Thanks again. Life Balance attracts a small but surprisingly devoted clientele for which we are very grateful. We do appreciate your ongoing interest and will take your suggestion to heart and will give it the attention it deserves.

Best wishes,

--Catherine--*

We are the grateful clientele

Thanks again. Life Balance attracts a small but surprisingly devoted clientele for which we are very grateful. We do appreciate your ongoing interest and will take your suggestion to heart and will give it the attention it deserves.

Catherine,

that´s the fact (with others) I am using Life Balance again and again. After a month with Thinking Rock (yes, paid the fee for 3.X and sure so I gave some money to the developers for great work) and some days with Remember the milk I saw my tasklist was like a wild area for me as a grasland for a crazy bull to run along.

All the time trying to catch the next action and then the next action and then the next ....

I am in love with my X47 paper planner (www.x47.com) to catch my ideas in a paper inbox, to jot down my moments of thinking. I love the clear calendar insight for day specific tasks with deadlines.
I really like Teuxdeux to get a handy list of things to do today, within Teuxdeux I only have some short tasks to do when I am at a specific place and all I carry with me is my iPhone, so the tasks are hacked in while I am online at my mac or tipping them in with my iPhone directly.

But for the overall planning, the tasks and projects in my life, my dreams, my things to do to accomplish a sufficient state of mind, Life Balance is my treasure bag.

So, long word short sence, thanks for all your work and personal partnership with your clients. And the "devoted clientele" is grateful aswell.

Best form Germany
Thorsten

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Thank you dear heart...

Thanks very much. We will continue to do our best to serve all of our "devoted clientele" in every way we know how!

People like you make that an easy choice!

Best wishes, and thanks again!

--Catherine--*

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